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Motivational Interview Skills for Macro-Trauma: Help Clients Overcome the Impact of Collective, Racial & Systemic Trauma

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Kristin Dempsey, EdD, LPCC, LMFT, MINT Certified Trainer |  Ali Hall, JD, MINT Certified Trainer
1 Hour 07 Minutes
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Sep 22, 2022
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As a therapist it can feel impossible to help clients who have been impacted by “macro” trauma, such as racial inequity, mass violence, systemic prejudice and other problems.

You need skills to help empower your clients to take action in their lives, even in the face of these unique challenges.

Gain culturally competent marco-motivational interviewing skills to support clients. In this unique training from Kristin Dempsey and Ali Hall you’ll explore how to:

  • Connect traditional MI skills to macro problems to help clients combat inner pain from collective trauma
  • Keep clients motivated to improve their lives in the face of inequities
  • Empower your clients to become advocates for change in their communities
  • Use reciprocity and mutuality to increase collaboration and alignment in session

Transform client’s barriers to change into stepping stones to a better life...

And, know that you can help your clients no matter what they're up against!


Planning Committee Disclosure - No relevant relationships

All members of the PESI, Inc. planning committee have provided disclosures of financial relationships with ineligible organizations and any relevant non-financial relationships prior to planning content for this activity. None of the committee members had relevant financial relationships with ineligible companies or other potentially biasing relationships to disclose to learners.  For speaker disclosures, please see the faculty biography.


This online program is worth 1.25 hours CPD.



Kristin Dempsey, EdD, LPCC, LMFT, MINT Certified Trainer's Profile

Kristin Dempsey, EdD, LPCC, LMFT, MINT Certified Trainer Related seminars and products

Kristin Dempsey, EdD, LPCC, LMFT, MINT Certified Trainer, frequently trains diverse mental health and helping professionals in MI, trauma-informed care, crisis interventions, and various cognitive behavioral and behavioral therapy approaches. She specialized in working with individuals experiencing co-occurring mental health and substance use issues, trauma, and eating disorders, among other conditions. Kristin teaches from a strengths-based approach that explores values and meaning-building for clients, supervisees and clinicians alike.

Speaker Disclosures:
Financial: Kristin Dempsey maintains a private practice and has employment relationships with the Wright Institute and the San Francisco State University. She receives royalties as a published author. Kristin Dempsey receives a speaking honorarium and recording royalties from PESI, Inc. She has no relevant financial relationships with ineligible organizations.
Non-financial: Kristin Dempsey serves as the board president of California Associate of Licensed Professional Clinical Counselors.

Ali Hall, JD, MINT Certified Trainer's Profile

Ali Hall, JD, MINT Certified Trainer Related seminars and products

Ali Hall, JD, MINT Certified Trainer, is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), a MINT Certified Trainer, and an independent consultant and trainer. Ali currently serves on the MINT Board of Directors, focusing on professional skill development for MI practitioners and trainers. Ali served as a Lead Trainer for the International MINT Training for New Trainers (TNT) in Warsaw (2019), New Orleans (2018) and Berlin (2015). Ali has designed and facilitated more than 2500 Motivational Interviewing (MI) workshops for criminal justice, wraparound services, chronic disease and diabetes self-management educators, health care practitioners, health coaches, telephonic health service providers, social services providers, behavioral health clinicians, social workers, psychologists, and psychiatrists, and provides training for trainers in evidence-based practices. Ali regularly presents at national and regional conferences for wraparound, criminal justice, health care providers, public health leaders and key organizational administrators.

Ali regularly provides MI coding and evaluation training, coding services and skill development coaching, and provides consultation to systems for establishing communities of practice and for effective, sustainable MI implementation. Ali is the co-developer of the Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA), a coding and coaching tool for MI skill improvement.

Ali regularly designs and evaluates MI interventions for funded research, including large national and international studies. Ali’s work with agencies includes creating skills development curricula for staff and materials for those served. Ali also regularly provides workshops in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), applications of Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) and integration of MI and skill building evidence-based practices. Ali is the co-author of an MI skill-building manual and toolkit, to be released in late 2020 (published by PESI Behavioral Health Continuing Education). Ali also serves as a reviewer for the National Registry for Evidence-Based Practices and Programs (NREPP).

Ali spent her undergraduate years at Occidental College in Los Angeles and completed her graduate studies in organizational behavior at the School of Industrial and Labor Relations at Cornell University, as well as her J.D. at the Cornell University School of Law. In her spare time, Ali is a cold-water marathon swimmer, raising funds for under-resourced kid’s charities.


Speaker Disclosures:
Financial: Ali Hall receives compensation as an independent consultant and trainer and has an employment relationship with University of California-Davis. She is a member of MINT and is the co-developer of Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment. She receives royalties as a published author. Ali Hall receives a speaking honorarium, recording, and book royalties from PESI, Inc. She has no relevant financial relationships with ineligible organizations.
Non-financial: Ali Hall serves on the board of directors of MINT.


  1. Theorize how “socially-engineered trauma” impacts your client’s mental health.
  2. Implement motivational interviewing skills with consideration of the SHARP model to create cultural humility and sensitivity.


What is Macro Trauma? And, It’s Impact
  • Level of intervention: micro, macro, mezzo
  • How does it mean to work with macro-trauma?
  • What is “Socially Engineered Trauma” & how does it impact therapy?
  • Impact of macro-structures on mental health
  • Connecting macro to micro trauma
Step-By-Step MI Skills for Macro Trauma
  • The 4 MI processed and Marco MI
  • SHAPRE core elements: society structure, historical context, analysis of role, reciprocity, mutuality & power
  • Activism, organizing and consciousness-raising for PTSD 
  • Protect communities from trauma
  • MI and Social dominance, justice and healing-centered Engagement
  • Open ended questions and macro change
  • Demonstration: How does Macro MI sound in session? 

Target Audience

  • Counselors
  • Social Workers
  • Psychologists
  • Addiction Counselors
  • Therapists
  • Physicians
  • Marriage and Family Therapists
  • Occupational Therapists
  • Nurses
  • Health Coaches
  • Probation/Parole Officers
  • Other behavioral health professionals
  • Other healthcare professionals
  • Other Rehab professionals
  • Other professionals who work with kids


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